Hi, I’m Matthew Brickman, Florida Supreme court mediator. Welcome to the Mediate This! Podcast where we discuss everything mediation and conflict resolution.

Well, and one of the things, so I’m in South Florida, and um even what’s interesting, and and and I don’t I don’t know if you I don’t I don’t know how it is where you are, but even just different jurisdictions, they have different forms. Like not a state forum. They’ve got like like um, for example, I’ll just give you an example. So um in Palm Beach County, they for the most part look at a form um that like um FinPlan or um family law software will run, but in Broward, they’re looking at DPA, divorce planning software. So it’s a different, so really, I mean, the biggest difference is just how the form looks. The numbers are the numbers are the numbers behind it, right? But different jurisdictions require different forms. So, like for me, I know like if I’m doing a Palm Beach County case, I’m gonna print out this way. Luckily, the program I have then also says, oh, it’s a Broward case, okay, print out in DPA, landscape, don’t print out um and and and this one, just because just you know, some of the jurisdictions have different forms. Um and then the same thing too with just the lingo, like, you know, IWOs and ideas, so income withholding orders or income deduction orders, um, you know, even those that we can generate, even the headers, depending on the jurisdiction. Um, so I guess all of that just grows. I mean, once this is one once you just keep building, you just keep building, right?

Jamie Lima: 01:51
Absolutely. And that’s the it would be so nice if every state did things the same way. You know, like it just family loss. Yeah, but family, exactly, right? And and I I just you’re this is a perfect, perfect example. If you uh, you know, Texas is a big one for us, we do it a lot. I I personally do a lot of work in Texas. Um and uh with Texas, there uh however many counties there are in Texas, you know, probably a hundred counties that are in Texas. The good news with Texas was 80% of them used a standard set of forms. It was the other 20% that gave us a headache. And that’s where trying we’re we’re trying to do this the right way, right? We don’t want to just throw a bunch of garbage out there and then get no adoption with it. So we were able to a lot of states will actually accept a generic financial affidavit set of documents. So we did uh we we looked at those first and figured we’re like, okay, like what states are gonna can accept the generic ones? Let’s get the generic done because that gives us more coverage right away. I’m in California and you know it’s one of the largest number of you know divorces in the in the country, of course. And um so California’s where we soft launched. We are still today working on the California forms because they’re so complex and they change like I had to set up an agent within Claude to do a daily scan of all the family law form changes, and and now he’s doing it all 51 51 jurisdictions, and I get an updated report, and that’s how we’re leveraging uh AI in another way, where if Florida decides to change, you know, add another set of forms, I’ll know the morning thereof. And usually within nine usually within ninety days because they give us they give all of us a headshot anyway. But I’ll we’ll then that’s how we’re gonna keep, like you said, just keep building you get the top five forms, and then we’re gonna top ten forms, and then wash rinse repeat, and the next thing you know, you’re not even gonna have to leave the platform to to even file even as an attorney to file your case from beginning to end.

Matthew Brickman: 03:57
So you can file through the platform.

Jamie Lima: 03:59
We will be able to, yeah. We’re working through the API connections to some of these courts right now. So that’s another big one, is the integrations. We’re gonna have integrations with eMoney, right capital, money guide pro. Probably we have about 50 to 70 that are sitting on our list right now. We’re being able to connect outside software to it. That way you can literally just log in at one place in the morning and you can file, you know, you fill out your FL 150 in the state of California or your IWO or IDO, send it right to the courts, right through the platform. Wow. Yeah.

Matthew Brickman: 04:34
It was such a coming.

Jamie Lima: 04:36
I I mean I I just like I wait, I wish it was coming tomorrow, but uh I you know, we’re very we’re a small team. I mean, there’s there’s only you know 12 or 14 of us that are on this team, and I’m bootstrapping this team by myself.

Matthew Brickman: 04:48
So yeah. Yeah. Well, and then and then aside from building that out, that I’m sure is changing just the way that you mediate, it’s there to also help other mediators, attorneys, financial advisors, you know, everyone. So you’re doing that plus than you’re also mediating?

Jamie Lima: 05:11
Uh I’m in a full financial analysis too. So I think I have 43 CDFA cases going right now. I probably have five or six mediation cases of that, and the other 30 some odd are traditional financial, you know, divorce financial planning cases where we’re I I’ve been doing a lot of pension evaluations, I call to Testify, all this other stuff. So it’s uh basically two full-time jobs at this point.

Matthew Brickman: 05:37
Now, oh oh I rem I remember I was gonna ask you when we were just talking about pension evaluations stuff. Quadras, where does that come into play? For those I know you and I are just throwing around terms, like the listeners are probably going, what is a quadra? Is it a qualified domestic relations order, which is how we transfer monies from one retirement to another one without tax penalties and uh and uh and whatnot. So, like, would you still need to go and hire someone to do the quadro, or is that done internally? Like, how that how how’s that work?

Jamie Lima: 06:16
We we’ve been asked to build a quadro module, the qualified domestic relations order module, or or COPES, throwing some more acronyms out there, the COPES, the court orders acceptable for processing for military plans. Uh, we’ve been asked to build that. I I hesitate to add it to the roadmap for a couple different reasons.

Matthew Brickman: 06:34
Okay.

Jamie Lima: 06:35
One being if we put the onus of drafting legal documents on secure split, and there’s an issue with the document, right? That opens us up to other liability. And we’re not an I’m not an attorney, I can’t pretend to be one, and our secure secure split is not it’s it’s the legal platform, but it can’t provide legal advice, right? We can’t provide legal advice.

Matthew Brickman: 06:57
Correct.

Jamie Lima: 06:57
So just full transparency, because we’re we’ve been friends for 36 minutes. Um I that’s that’s one thing that keeps me up at night is opening up that can of worms, and then secure split isn’t really secure anymore and not reliable. Um so there’s that component of it. The second piece of it is I I understand the process, and I what what we do in the divorce planning work is I have a drafting team that will draft the the document, but I will help the client shepherd them through the process, right? Like get like working with them to make sure you to get the document signed and working with the plan sponsor and getting it approved of the plan sponsor, and then getting it delivered to the plan sponsor and opening up accounts and doing the transfers and all the stuff that comes into play. So there I feel like there’s that human element of that that still needs to be involved. Um and dealing with the plan sponsors can be very, very tricky, especially pension plans. Um so I’m I’m not it’s a TVD on that and how that would unfold. Um but I I I could see it being part of the platform, I just don’t know what that looks like in the future.

Matthew Brickman: 08:00
Yeah. All right, I got a follow-up question for that then. Yeah. So based on based on that, so okay, let’s say that Tommy can come in, he’s got a pension, or he’s got a 401k. Do they upload everything as mediators? Fine, we use the platform, it does the whole analysis. This is how much money then needs to be transferred. Okay, you need to go get a quadro done. Great, not a problem. Based on all the info that’s been uploaded and the documents that have been uploaded for the verification of all of this, would Tommy now would would this say, hey, Tommy, go get your go get your quadro? And by the way, here’s all the documents you’re gonna need to provide for the quadro expert to have that done. Because I know that, you know, sometimes as a mediator, I’ll put in the agreement. Actually, as a not sometimes, as a mediator, I’ll put, okay, for example, Tommy and you know, Tommy has a 401k, Susie entitled to 50% of the marital portion. They’re gonna go to XYZ to have a quadro done. They’ve got to provide all documents within 30 days of the entry of final judgment to have the quadro executed. Okay, and Tommy’s going, I don’t know what documents, right? So being that being that they’ve already probably uploaded stuff for this whole analysis, does it let them do like like does Casey then say, Oh, by the way, based on everything you gave us, then here’s the documents that you’ll need to then take to get your quadro done?

Jamie Lima: 09:31
So picture this. Hey Casey, uh, you know, Tommy needs to get his uh quadro drafted. Uh, we’re not gonna be doing that work, but uh, we’re gonna send the information off to his legal team to help with that. Here are all the details that uh the attorney’s gonna need, right? And then I I keep saying it’s coming, but it is coming. When I say it’s coming, it’s not like coming in 2029, it’s coming in like six months. Yeah. Being able to share that information directly with the attorney in a secure way, right? Like here’s the agreement, here’s the framework for it, here’s what the clients agree to, so on and so forth. So you can add other professionals to secure portal. That way, all this information at the same time, so you can work collaboratively with other attorney uh other attorneys, mediators, even in a collaborative case that I’m sure you come across every so often, where you have a therapist that’s involved, you have a CPA, their financial their financial planner, the other side’s financial planner will be able to share all that information in one secure place. That way, all this information isn’t flying out into the ether via email. Right. Which is how it’s currently being done, which is exactly how it’s currently being done.

Matthew Brickman: 10:40
Yeah. Which is or either that I hate to say it, Dropbox, which is just a whore, I don’t I don’t like Dropbox. I am not a fan of Dropbox and their organization and it’s not it’s not the security, it’s just the organization of it. Like it’s not very organized. And so, you know, whether whether you’re sending a Google link or Dropbox link, or there’s a lot, I don’t understand how uh in the legal world they’re just emailing, like emailing a tax return. Like, what?

Jamie Lima: 11:08
I get it all the time, and and you know, not to slam attorneys, but I don’t know why. Like I live literally told some of these attorneys, you have access to the secure portal, please use the secure portal. And what do I get? And in that I’m not gonna complain because I’m getting a lot of business from, you know, but I get a lot of pension valuations from attorneys because they don’t they I’ve been doing that work for some time. And they’ll just send me all the docs. Here’s their social security number, here’s a date of birth, here’s their current address, here’s all like all the PII that you’re not supposed to be sharing via email, and it’ll just land in my inbox unsolicited.

Matthew Brickman: 11:41
Yeah.

Matthew Brickman: 11:41
So I it’s kind of like a copy of their driver’s license and their social security part, and here’s their data birth form.

Jamie Lima: 11:48
Their debit card PIN number is it’s just so but it’s not the environment that they don’t live in that security world. And I think if we can continue to coach them through it, then and it’ll it’ll be fixed. But that’s the other piece of this, too, is we can right now cope you can collaboratively work with your client, uh secure chat, secure portal, like I had mentioned. So if you’re my client, you and I can send messages back and forth all day long securely. The piece of it that we want to make sure we get right, especially for SOC2 compliance, is getting that external, those external parties involved that may not have that same layer of security on their end. So we’ve got to we’ve got to we’re working on that part of it because we are working with a um several, I think we have 11 or 12 big firms. Um we were enterprise deals for us where it’s 200, 500, a thousand potential seats, and these firms have security requirements in place that we have to meet. And we have to meet them. We have to meet them and we have to meet everybody else at the same level, right? And it’s a pretty high standard we have to hit. So I once we get to the point where we’re like nobody can come in and bust this thing open, then I feel like we’re in a good spot where we can say, okay, like let’s let’s get these other external parties involved and really make it collaborative. I I just security, maybe it’s just because all the time I’ve spent in in the financial planning world, they drill compliance in your brain and every like every day. And especially owning my own wealth manager practice, I’m so fearful of data breach, you know, all of that stuff, and I don’t want to get it wrong because then we’re dead in the water. So it’s taking a little bit longer than I would like, of course, but I’m we want to do it right.

Matthew Brickman: 13:27
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can you can have the most perfect product, but if it’s not secure, it doesn’t matter. Thousand percent.

Jamie Lima: 13:37
Like, you know, it would deal with people’s financial lives, you know.

Matthew Brickman: 13:40
Sure. Sure. And and and one of the things, and I think that um I think that just through the years, and and for me, I’m 52, and I really saw this right after uh 9-11, and it has gotten just worse and worse, and it was amplified and validated for me in 2020. In America, we have traded simplicity for security in almost every aspect of our lives. We want quick, we want simple, and we’re willing to trade security for it. We’re like, yeah, we don’t need secure. I mean, that happened with Zoom when when when when everyone first went to Zoom, Zoom was a social media platform. It was not a business platform, it didn’t have layers of security. The the servers were in China, it’s COVID, and they were hacking everywhere. And you, I mean, um, and and Jamie, I’ve I I to this day, six years later, I still get complaints going, Matthew, why don’t you do Zoom? I’m like, because I’m on WebEx and I’ve had WebEx forever, and it’s the largest communication company in the world, layers of of uh security. And they’re like, yeah, but it’s it’s not as simple. Like you got to have the password, and you and I and it’s and you know, and then the and the email address has to match up with what you have on your side. I’m like, this is a works, this is a legal process. Yes, I want it. And they’re just like it’s complicated. And I love and so even for me, I’m like, no, no, no, security, security, security, security. I want security. I don’t if even if I have to use an external or external authenticator, I don’t care. I want security just because I’m in the legal field exchanging people just like you. I’m like, we’re exchanging financial affidavits and tax returns and pay stubs. I need security as much as possible because I don’t want someone going, oh, we hacked into Matthew’s email and we got Tommy’s tax return. And they’re going, Matthew, why why did you have that just sitting in your email? I’m like, well, because Tommy sent it to me. I don’t know. And now we’re like, we’re gonna sue you. Yeah.

Jamie Lima: 15:49
Yeah, no thanks. No thanks. Yeah, I have enough stress.

Matthew Brickman: 15:54
Yeah. I mean, well, and and not to mention voluntary, okay, voluntarily, just the nature of our business. Voluntarily, I say we live in the friction of life. We’re mediators, we live in the friction of life. We we intentionally put ourselves there in between that tension. I don’t, I don’t want any other attention. Like, okay, I do that for work. After that, I’m like, I need a little peace. And I don’t want to be looking over my shoulder going, okay, based on what I just did all day, now do I have risk. And then it’s just a chaotic life, right? Absolutely. Yeah. And then when you’re and then when you’re building a product for people, that’s also your name, your reputation, your brand. You know, like I don’t want to go on, oh yeah, I I was trying that platform by Jamie Lima. Yeah, it’s okay. We had some data breaches, we had this problem, you know, it’s not really worth it. And no, you’re like, that’s the whole reason why you built it. There was really nothing else out there.

Jamie Lima: 17:04
Exactly. And even even the tiny little tiniest little bug that is in the platform. You’re like, sometimes like I’ll our dev team will go through a weekly demo of all the you know, updated features and functionality and everything else. Every once in a while I’ll see, you know, there’s a typo. Or you know, everything is capitalized, but the the last part that should be capitalized is not capitalized or something. You know, like those tiny little things drive me nuts. So I can’t even imagine if we had like data breach, forget it. We’ll shut the doors and call it a day because you’re dead in the water at that point.

Matthew Brickman: 17:38
Yeah, yeah. I’m like that. I mean, so nothing on the caliber of what you created. But back in May, I ventured out only because so, you know, as one one of the problems I’ve always had as a mediator, um, and I’ve been doing this for 18 years, is when you’re deal when you’re mediating with two attorneys that generally don’t do math, and we’re dealing conceptually with timesharing and trying to count the number of overnights. And they’re like, well, no, you know what? If we’re gonna do the summer and it’s 50-50, but then you know, we’re gonna alternate this so it’s plus 70, minus 30, divide it, no, and then and you know, trying to get that math, and they’re like, no, there’s actually 176. Well, I’ve counted 179, and oh, well, there’s a difference in child support, and we’re going round and round. I spent, I had one mediation in May, which finally I just broke after 18 years. I’m like, I’m done. We spent six hours, six hours talking about arguing, two attorneys arguing over the number of overnights. Nothing else, not equitable distribution, not alimony, the number of overnights and going through their math. And no lie. They turned on the screen and flipped the camera down, and they’re doing one, two, three, four, slash, five. One, two. I mean, like, that’s what we’re doing. And I’m going, there’s got to be something out there to do this. I got online, I spent a couple hours, couldn’t find it. I started to build it. I built a parenting plan builder calculator. Um, and oh my gosh, my life has gotten so much easier since May. Yeah. But just like you, I mean, like, I I was on it before we before we got on today, earlier earlier this morning. I’m having breakfast and I’m like, oh, you know what? I need to go check something. I am tweaking daily. I go in there and I look at that and I’m like, you know what, this isn’t uniform. Like the text wasn’t uniform. And I’m like, wait a second, let me go look at this. And I’m like, oh yeah. And I’m constantly tweaking. And, you know, and it’s, I mean, I built the calculator built off of over 3,600 mediations and parenting plans and all the different scenarios. But, you know, people are creative, you know, as a mediator, and they come in, they’re like, hey, we want to do this with spring break. I’m like, okay, I’ve never seen that, never heard of it, but okay, fine. And so you know what? I’ll add it to the calculator. Great. We have a new scenario. Just because if somebody thinks of it, they may not be the only one, right?

Jamie Lima: 20:11
Absolutely. I mean, we we’re on our third version of the property division calculator. We st we uh started building, we officially started building last October. So we’re not even a year into it. We’re on our third version of the property division calculator, and it keeps getting tweaks. One piece of the puzzle.

Matthew Brickman: 20:29
Yeah, I’m on the third version since May, where I’ve redone the entire architecture three times. Um, but it’s gotten better, faster, cleaner. Like you just keep doing that for because I mean I use it every day, but then if other people want to use it, great. Um like that’s the whole point, is no, don’t waste my time. Like, let’s spend time actually where it matters, not where that matters. But that is a huge piece. Um, because you know, you got to get the numbers right. If the numbers aren’t right, you got problems, whether it’s equitable distribution, whether it’s child support, whether it’s alimony, and the numbers have to be right. And circling all the way back, most family practitioners, we get into this because we don’t do numbers. And so having a program like yours or a calculator like mine helps then bridge the gap of where we’re deficient so that we can be the best version for the for the parties.

Jamie Lima: 21:34
Yeah, that’s what it’s all about. I remember um that’s a good point, and and I hadn’t really thought about this for for quite some time, but you know, some some people ask me, give me the you know the proverbial like, why do you do what you do type of question, right? And you know, I I always go back to I I always tell the story about my personal situation, you know, both as a child and as an adult. But to your you where where all the next layer of that is I remember when I was Working for Fidelity and I for a period of time I actually coached and trained financial advisors for the company across the country. And we went to a conference one time, and a book we had to read before we went to the conference, it was like a personal development conference, was a book called The Multiplier Effect. I don’t remember exactly who wrote the book, um, but short short plug for the multiplier effect book. Um and it talks about the the whole premise of the book is you can you can do your work, you can do it well, and you can help a lot of people. But if you help, if you do the work and help other people do their work and do it well, you can that there’s that multiplier effect where you can help hundreds, if not thousands, and maybe even in our case, millions of people over the years get through one of the most disastrous points in our life. And I think there’s something noble about that. And you know, we’re not perfect, you know, we’re we make mistakes all the time, we’re figuring this out as we go, we’re doing the best we possibly can with it. It’s uh we are a true startup, and we’re like test, iterate, test, iterate. But I think the beauty of the team that I have around me, and this is a plug for them, is like, you know, they all have it’s all they’re all coming at this from the right, and all have a passion for this, they recognize the the the the gravity of the work that they’re doing, and they’re passionate about it. And some of them have been through divorces, some of them have not, but I don’t think it really matters because I think they’re they realize like we are helping so many people, and there’s something noble about that, which is which is cool.

Matthew Brickman: 23:31
Yeah. Well, and and and and talking about nobility, I’ll give I’ll give you a little something something to play with as a mediator, too. So sometimes, you know, when we’re negotiating, whether it’s numbers or concepts and just the emotional part, people can get very ingrained in what they want, not why they want it, but just I want it for the pure principle of wanting it. And we sort of just get derailed and it just turns into this emotional, you know, fest, and you know, and it’s like, okay, and then ever and then everyone just starts getting angry and starts yelling, you know, it’s it because it is like you said, it’s it’s I I say, look, I’m I I want to be the beacon of light on probably your darkest day, right? Um, and so and so what I the way that I can gain control back of the mediation situation, which one of our jobs is to control the atmosphere, is I say to him, I said, I said, you know what, just you know, because a lot of times, you know, they’re arguing because, you know, they it they think it’s about them. And and I actually tell him, I said, I said, look, I’m I’m gonna ask you a series of questions, but I’m just gonna start off with a statement. I know you think this is about you, but this is actually has nothing to do with you. And that usually gets me a blank stare, like, what do you mean this is my divorce? And I so I asked him, I said, I said, let me ask you a series of questions. You guys have grandparents, right? They’re like, Well, you know, sometimes baby living, dead, whatnot, but you had grandparents, right? Yeah, and they had your parents, right? It’s like your mom and dad, yeah. And uh your mom and dad probably had good traits, bad traits of both of them, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then of course your parents had you, because you’re sitting here, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You probably have some good traits and bad traits of, you know, your parents as well, right? And so, you know, you guys have your kids and do not think that your kids are not watching. They are paying attention to how the two of you are are acting and reacting and treating each other, right? It’s like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so if that’s true, if all of that is true, let’s assume it’s all true. This has nothing to do about you because what we’re doing is we are now going to set a new tone for your unborn grandchildren. Now, at that point, Jamie, usually somebody starts to tear up. But it’s the reality that we are affecting generations. And what’s so important with like the work you’re doing in the software that you’ve got is so many people walk out of a divorce and they’re going, I don’t know what to do. And we’ve just blown up as like a nuclear bomb on their finances, their family. And they’re like, I don’t know how I’m gonna restart, I don’t know if I can rebuild, you know, fine, they’re getting this, but they’re gonna move on. But how do I do this? And by having that plan and being able to show them the numbers and be able to know that it’s being but doing getting tongue tied, that it’s being done right. Yeah, yeah, that can have generational effects.

Jamie Lima: 26:43
Thousand percent, thousand percent. So yeah, I don’t have anything else to add to that. I mean, I think it’s um it is that multiplier effect that we’re seeing, and that that that has in many ways become my true north, right? Yeah, because it is not easy building this man. It is not. There are days when I’m like, what did I get myself into? What did I get my wife into? Because she’s along for the ride with me on this as well. And you know, it’s her it’s her money too that we’re investing in this, and it’s uh it’s it’s it’s uh you know, some some days it’s it’s tough tough to carry, man. There’s a lot of weight in that.

Matthew Brickman: 27:20
Yeah, yeah. But like you said, but but you know what? Not everyone is cut out for this work. I mean, a lot of times people are like, oh, you know what? I could do that. I’m like, good luck to you. Good luck to you. Like, you know, um, I always tell I always tell people a story many years ago. I was I was mediating, and uh a guy was just almost nose to nose, Jamie, just screaming at me. I mean, you know, I’m the messenger, I’m the mediator, I’m going between, I live in the friction of life. And he was really upset about the finances and he had worked all these years for this and now, you know, uh and all this stuff. And he’s just screaming at me. And his attorney’s like, sit down, stop yelling at the mediator, sit down, and he’s just screaming at me, and I’m I’ve I’ve just got to be calm, cool, collected. Like, and I and I just stood there, I’m like, I hear you, I hear you, I understand, I hear you. I can’t validate it because I’m I’m a neutral, but you know, I hear you. He finally sits down and I walk out of the room, and all the paralegals in the office convey on me like, are you okay? Are you okay? Like everybody could hear him screaming at me. And I said, and I said to him, I said, I said, you know what, I’m a mediator. I get yelled at all day long. That’s my job. It’s not my fault. I don’t take it personal. It’s fine. You know, when I go home and I get yelled at, probably my fault. Probably my fault. Not at work, not as a mediator. I’m just living here. But you know, a lot of people is like, oh my gosh, like they’re yelling at me. I don’t, you know, I’m taking it personal. Oh my gosh, I messed up. It’s like, no, that that that’s the job. Um and then, of course, you know, um dealing with their finances, like, yeah, it’s it needs to be done right. Um, so I appreciate the work that you’ve done and and and your software. So um, how can people connect with you or find the software? Like, plug yourself. Go ahead, plug yourself, plug yourself, plug your team. How do we do this?

Jamie Lima: 29:25
I I think the easiest way, if you’re if you’re somebody that’s listening that’s going through a divorce, visit me at allegiantds.com. That’s the website for the divorce financial planning work that we do. There’s even a there’s a calendar on there. You can actually book a complimentary consultation. It’s confidential, complimentary. We know like if it’s a fit, it’s a fit. If not, maybe you walk away with a little more education. You can we can we can send you on your on the right path moving forward. And uh, I’m happy to refer out to if I don’t feel like it’s a if it’s a fit for us or um you know we’re we’re just not we’re just not in line. Not a not a big deal there. So don’t hesitate to go to the website and book a call if you’d like. For those of you that may have an interest in Secure Split, the divorce financial planning software, you can go to secure split.com. There’s a seven-day free trial, so you can get in, you can play around with it, you can there’s you know, run a case through it, try it out for yourself. Our support team and our sales team are here to help. We’re frankly, we’re in demos pretty much all day, every day. Um, because there’s been pretty sizable demand for this, so that’s good. It’s a good problem to have. Um, but you know, you can get a demo platform, um, and you can again access that free trial. Um so there’s that. So just secure split.com or allegiantds.com with the two websites, and uh we’d love to love to chat.

Matthew Brickman: 30:43
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. All right, so I always finish off my podcast with the lightning round. Five five questions. Okay, ready for it? All right, I think so.

Jamie Lima: 30:53
I’m not prepared. I didn’t prepare for this, so let’s go.

Matthew Brickman: 30:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There is no prep for this. All right, so um I think I know the answer to this first one. I think I do. We’ll see. What’s your dream job?

Jamie Lima: 31:08
Oh, airline pilot. Okay, I did not know that.

Matthew Brickman: 31:12
Airline pilot, okay.

Jamie Lima: 31:13
Why? Airline pilot. If I if I had to do it all over again, I would have gone into the military to learn how to fly planes. I I am uh airplane enthusiast. Uh any chance I get to be on an airplane um is is my bag. Uh I yeah, I have I track I track flights. We’re actually in the flight path of our local airport here, so I’m always like, oh, that’s the uh 777 coming in from Heathrow tonight at uh 450. They’re 10 minutes late. That’s awesome. Surprised with that one, didn’t I? You didn’t expect that. What did you what did you expect?

Matthew Brickman: 31:48
This I figured this was your dream job. Like you’re living your dream.

Jamie Lima: 31:53
I figured I am in a lot of ways, so I don’t want to I don’t wanna you know they belittle it at and um I mean I don’t know, I just feel like like that’s that would be like my dream, like being able to travel over the world and and uh you know be in the skies. Um at one point I thought I was gonna be a professional golfer when I was a kid. I was I was pretty I was I was a pretty good golfer when I was a kid. And uh I’m now back I’m now taking golf lessons because I suck so much. So if that tells you anything, that probably would have turned out.

Matthew Brickman: 32:21
Well, you know, you know, going to your dream job of of pilot or flying or whatnot, that’s also one of the benefits of COVID is you could be traveling anywhere and still be working, opposed to you’ve got to be local to work and meet with clients. No, you can travel and still work. Yeah. All right. Um, number two, what’s your favorite type of music? What are you listening to these days?

Jamie Lima: 32:46
I’m a I’m a big music guy. Uh 90s alternative is my jam. Love 90s alternative. 90s alternative, but I I know every Tupac song.

Matthew Brickman: 32:56
I love Tupac as well, yeah.

Jamie Lima: 32:58
So don’t, don’t, don’t uh get a couple cocktails in me and start putting on and Biggie too. I could do a little biggie if you want. We could do some karaoke later if you want.

Matthew Brickman: 33:08
Yeah. Oh, that’s awesome. All right, I’m listening I’m listening to similar. All right, favorite food.

Jamie Lima: 33:16
Probably uh probably Italian is the first thing I thought of when I you asked that question.

Matthew Brickman: 33:23
Okay. And any like in in the realm of Italian, like chicken parmesan for sure.

Jamie Lima: 33:29
Chicken Parmesan for sure. I could I could eat chicken parmesan. I’m originally from Rhode Island. There’s a little there’s a little little Italy section of Rhode Island called Federal Hill, and I could I could eat chicken parmesan on Federal Hill every day of my life. Okay, wow. Um that would be my last meal. That would be my last meal, I think. If I had a last meal, that would be my last meal.

Matthew Brickman: 33:50
Okay, well, we’re following up with that with a meal. So if you could have a meal, so I guess chicken parm, um, with one person living or dead, what would you have? Who would it be, and why?

Jamie Lima: 34:05
I would have uh my grandmother made uh uh used to make this Portuguese dish. Um most of my family is Portuguese, and she used to make it chicken, Portuguese chorizo, and potatoes and carrots, and like some tomato-based something or other. And I remember even as a kid second and sometimes even third helpings of that. It was so good. So um I missed an opportunity. My my dream was to actually I failed at this, um, was to actually interview her and talk to her about her life before she passed away uh a couple of years ago. So I would like to go back to that moment, have dinner with her, interview her. All those moments.

Matthew Brickman: 34:47
Well, Jamie, it’s been great talking with you. Great meeting you, great talking with you. Um, and uh wish you the best with your uh with the application. I’m definitely gonna check it out. Uh and uh I’m I’m I’m gonna check it out. I’m gonna be referring it. Yeah, I’ve worked with a few attorneys, uh like 987 to date. So I’ve got I’ve got a few that I can be like, hey, we got a new piece of software. It’ll help, it’ll help you. So, you know, and then we’ve got this recording, you know, this podcast for the listen to and gets get some more information from you on how this works and and whatnot. So I really appreciate you taking the time coming on the show, and uh hopefully we’ll talk to you soon. Yeah, let’s let’s stay in touch. Absolutely.

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