Hi, I’m Matthew Brickman, Florida Supreme court mediator. Welcome to the Mediate This! Podcast where we discuss everything mediation and conflict resolution.

0:12 : Matthew Brickman : Good morning Vince. How are you?
0:14 : Vince Mahtani : I’m good. How are you?
0:16 : Matthew Brickman : I’m good, so welcome to the imedia podcast.
0:21 : Vince Mahtani : So excited, and if you can’t hear me or whatever, let me know, but I think I should be good. No.
0:26 : Matthew Brickman : I can hear you just fine.
0:31 : Matthew Brickman : Benz, talk to me. Actually tell tell the listeners, what exactly do you do? I mean you’re you’ve you’ve got a couple different titles. You’re a life coach, mentor, speaker.
0:46 : Vince Mahtani : Yeah, all of the above, so it’s interesting, you know, I came out of ministry, so there’s the pastoral part of it too, just like the I want to help people develop in every area of life. I often say that if you think of the Vin diagram, there’s three circles, the top circle is our spiritual health.
1:06 : Vince Mahtani : The circle on the right is our, our mental health and our mental well being, and then the other part of the circle that the the other side is our, our emotional wellbeing, how we approach life, how we move through relationships, how we show up to work, and where those all overlap, that little spot in that vin diagram, that’s where I camp out and.
1:27 : Vince Mahtani : And live at. And I help men be the best in all three circles so that in totality, they’re living a life that when they wake up, they’re really excited to get out of bed.
1:37 : Matthew Brickman : So, so Vince, how did you get into this area? Like, take me back. How did it start.
1:46 : Matthew Brickman : Was it, was, was it personal? Like you went through a personal, was it just something that was on your heart, it was a desire, did you go to school for this? Like, how did you get to where you are today being able to mentor and help men, fathers, brothers, you know, really focusing on being a good father.
2:07 : Matthew Brickman : Good man, a good employee, just like you said, emotionally spiritually, mentally. How did this start for you?
2:15 : Vince Mahtani : Two thousand sixteen, fourth of July weekend, two thousand sixteen was the worst period of my entire life. Okay, I’m gonna I’m gonna.
2:25 : Vince Mahtani : Cut me off at any point, because i’.
2:27 : Matthew Brickman : No, no, no, go.
2:28 : Vince Mahtani : Gotta go back to go forward sometimes. So let me take you back. Yeah.
2:33 : Matthew Brickman : I don’t know where you started. How did you get here?
2:36 : Vince Mahtani : I grew up in a house that middle class in saint Louis missouri. So shout out to any like Midwesterners and saint Louis people.
2:47 : Vince Mahtani : And we grew up and I, and I’m gonna make a very long story short, we grew up in a house that it was all about love. My receiving love was based off of performance.
3:00 : Matthew Brickman : And.
3:01 : Vince Mahtani : Was never good enough. Okay. And, my dad, so for context, which this is important, my dad is from India. Born and raised in India moves over to the United States when he’s eighteen and a small farm town in the middle of nowhere in Missouri, all white people, maybe a few African American people and then.
3:21 : Vince Mahtani : And my dad, the only other brown guy there, and, you know, Thick accent, and so he was very insecure, and I didn’t really truly wrap my head around this until I was in my thirties after the two thousand and sixteen weekend that will get to. But, you know, education’s huge and the way they disciplined their kids was way different than a white parent disciplines their.
3:42 : Vince Mahtani : Their kids, even in the nineties where spinking was ok. This was beyond spanking. And so there was a lot of abuse and there was a lot of verbal abuse that happened especially in emotional abuse, and I was just my, my self confidence was, was trash. I mean it was worth nothing. I I hated who I was, but.
4:03 : Vince Mahtani : Because in order to get love, I needed an accepted by my own dad I had to perform high. So it was like this false confidence constantly of like, No I’m good, I’m good. Meanwhile, my mom, who, was not the most healthy person at all and looking back, I think that would equal out to being postpartum.
4:23 : Vince Mahtani : But we didn’t talk about that in the nineties and eighties. And so.
4:28 : Vince Mahtani : Just really bad family dynamics consistently and a lot was put on as the first born a lot was put on my shoulders to, well, he looks fine, he must be fine. Let’s take care of my little brother. So it was just, it was horrible family dynamics and we can dive into that later if you want Fast forward, my mom left when I was nineteen. I was two weeks away from.
4:48 : Vince Mahtani : From going to school and, it was pretty much she just pulled the rug out from all of us and and left. Donnald care, how old you are when your parents divorced, it’s a pretty, it’s it’s hard. But this was, this was one where again, we were, we were taught everything on the outside you, you know, you saw our family.
5:08 : Vince Mahtani : We were involved in church, my dad was on the deacon board, mom taught Sunday school like we were the family. Good I was a good athlete, the whole thing. And then all of a sudden she leaves and everybody realizes like our our dynamic, our family dynamic goes terrible. And that’s kind of the beginning of the end where I just kind of, I started being in s.
5:29 : Vince Mahtani : Mode constantly and when that happened, I was dealing with that fallout. So I was trying to help my mommy rebuild her life and within about a month, she realized she made a huge mistake, but couldn’t admit to go back. My dad was trying to rebuild his life, my brother was an addict and so I was trying to help him all the while I’m at Bible College and I’m dating.
5:49 : Vince Mahtani : Who now my wife and I thought, let’s go get married cause that’ll solve everything and I can kind of stick it to my parents, you know, give them the middle finger and be like watch me. Now granted, we’re twenty, twenty years in, which is awesome and and we’ve surpassed my parents, which is great.
6:06 : Vince Mahtani : But anyway.
6:09 : Vince Mahtani : Life was hard. Life got really hard and, so we fast forward at I was in ministry, didn’t, didn’t really like it. I I had a lot of stuff happen with pastors above me and abusive leadership, and so what I kept finding was as a guy constantly looking for the father figure.
6:28 : Vince Mahtani : To raise me, I would end up with people who were just like my dad, like with tear me down to build me back up their way to tear me back down to build me up, right? So.
6:36 : Vince Mahtani : Start realizing, ok, maybe, maybe I’m part of the problem.
6:40 : Matthew Brickman : There’s a pattern there. You.
6:41 : Vince Mahtani : It’s a huge pattern, right?
6:44 : Vince Mahtani : But again, how I grew up, it was well I’m fine, you don’t need to worry about me I’ll put it on my shoulders, we’re all good. Left ministry started an IT company and became very successful in terms of whatever that means for most people. We made the money, we had the stuff, I had the good clients. Started another business and really, you know, you could look at.
7:04 : Vince Mahtani : Two ways, you could say, well, I wish I would have never done that because of what it did, but you can also say I’m really happy I did that for what it did.
7:13 : Vince Mahtani : You know what I mean? There’s a double edged st.
7:17 : Vince Mahtani : So we were saint Louis’s first grocery delivery business at an app based grocery delivery business before Instacart, before shipped, before all of that. And, and this wasn’t really we started in twenty fourteen, pretty new, new thing for saint Louisins for Midwesterners to be getting like private equity mone.
7:36 : Vince Mahtani : I was one of the first, like, OG entrepreneurs of saint Louis and it’s really weird to, to be known as that, even still to this day.
7:46 : Vince Mahtani : But I was and and my whole goal was to be on saint Louis business Journals thirty under thirty page because it’d be on the front page of the business journals, and really it all came down to I wanted to stick it to my dad because my dad would say things like no one’s gonna care who you are. One of my famous.
8:06 : Vince Mahtani : I always heard was, all you need to learn is, do you want fries with that? That’s all you need to learn how to say. Do you want fries with that? Because that’s all you’re good for. Working at mcdonald’s.
8:17 : Vince Mahtani : I wanted to be, I wanted to be famous. I wanted to be well known and and my dad was just constantly tearing me down, so I thought let me get on the thirty and the thirty, show him how successful I am without him, and it’s a giant middle finger, right?
8:32 : Matthew Brickman : Alright.
8:32 : Vince Mahtani : When you chase that and you’re constantly chasing the approval, the add a boy from your parents, from your dad that will never give it to you, it’s a lose, it’s a losing game. You’re playing a, a poor man losing man’s game.
8:50 : Vince Mahtani : May of twenty sixteen, our company was completely out of money, and I was borrowing money from anybody and anything that would lend me a buck. I was taking money from my IT company to float payroll and business expenses, taking personal money, leveraging anything and everything. And.
9:10 : Vince Mahtani : Again losing game when you should just get out, but I had a lot of ego and pride. And, and it wasn’t until.
9:18 : Vince Mahtani : It wasn’t until the fourth of July weekend when we had negative, we had negative money, which believe it or not, that’s still a thing too.
9:27 : Vince Mahtani : And.
9:29 : Vince Mahtani : I had I had payroll and I had to really all of a sudden kind of face the music of this isn’t working and now I’m so deep. What do I do? Because I can’t anybody, I can’t go, oh hey PS, we’ve been failing for a while. Now I, now I really look like an idiot. And so my I.
9:46 : Matthew Brickman : You probably have that voice still in the back of your head even now almost a validation from your father. You.
9:54 : Vince Mahtani : Which we.
9:55 : Matthew Brickman : I mean.
9:55 : Vince Mahtani : Talked about the inner critic immediately, right? Like that, that voice. It’s here today. PS, you can’t see him on screen, but he’s here.
10:03 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah, it’s still there.
10:07 : Vince Mahtani : And so I started looking at ways of how to get out of this world.
10:12 : Vince Mahtani : And I found out at the time, now I think this has changed cause I haven’t had to research it, so I don’t know, but at the time state of Missouri, you were able to, if you committed suicide without leaving a note.
10:24 : Vince Mahtani : They could deem it as an accident and they’d still pay out. Where most states suicide it’s an immediate.
10:28 : Matthew Brickman : For for like life insur.
10:29 : Vince Mahtani : Yeah, sorry.
10:31 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah. Yeah. So.
10:33 : Vince Mahtani : What I thought, well, this will be perfect. I could, I could go and and make it look like an accident by running my car off of a certain part of the bridge that I knew they were doing construction work on.
10:44 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah.
10:45 : Vince Mahtani : And it would look like an accident, and I knew what life insurance would pay out. My wife could pay off all the debt. Oh, oh PS, let me go back because of how we were raised. Stephanie my wife didn’t know any of this. So I kept a lot of this from her. Yeah. So, not good.
11:02 : Vince Mahtani : So I was on my way to do it. And.
11:06 : Vince Mahtani : And again, you can tell me how much you want me to go into this or not, but it is relevant to the story. I was too exits away from running my car off of a bridge and and just being out. Second time I’ve only actually told the story public.
11:23 : Vince Mahtani : As I’m one more exit away, and I’m a messed PS, I’m crying.
11:30 : Vince Mahtani : And it’s like it truly is like the series of movie clips playing in front of you of hash things and interactions and grief of what should have been and could have been and.
11:44 : Vince Mahtani : I’m getting a little emotional talking about it. But I I’m one exit away.
11:50 : Vince Mahtani : And inside, I mean deep in my soul, I heard my daughter’s laugh. My daughter was six at the time. And I mean, she’s just got this laughed that lights up an entire room.
12:02 : Matthew Brickman : Sure.
12:03 : Vince Mahtani : And, so I I hear this laugh. I mean deep, like within me and then I heard God’s voice and I’ve heard God’s voice before, I’ve heard it since and I I know his voice and it said she will never laugh like this if you’re not here. Yeah, and I think what’s interesting, it’s not like, hey, don’t do this.
12:20 : Vince Mahtani : It’s like he trying to truly meets you where you’re at when you need it the most.
12:25 : Matthew Brickman : And.
12:26 : Vince Mahtani : It was like this haze lifted and and I, I literally I think I was almost like in a blackout state and I came too, and I was like, Oh my gosh, what do I doing? And as I’m passing this exit that I was gonna go get ready to do it where they’re doing the construction, there’s a man there and the barricades were open. It was like the opera, it was an open door. It was like.
12:46 : Vince Mahtani : Like the operator.
12:47 : Matthew Brickman : Take opportun.
12:48 : Vince Mahtani : On man. I would have had to commit homicide, but like it was there, you know? And I was like, Oh my gosh, like what am I doing? And, and again grew up as a Christian household, so like I wasn’t drinking and I wasn’t doing drugs, I was overeating, I weighed three hundred, close to three hundred pounds. It was like two hundred and ninety two pounds. I was just a mess man, and that was the pennicle.
13:09 : Vince Mahtani : I have to get my crap together cause I almost, I almost committed suicide and and that’s not who I am or who I ever wanted to be. So I was able to make it pass and and I pulled over to the side of the road and got out of my car and threw up and I just sat there and just balled my eyes out alone and realized like.
13:29 : Vince Mahtani : I’m gonna be homeless if this doesn’t change and what literally like, what are you doing man? And I knew my first step was to go face the music and tell people and close the company, and so.
13:41 : Vince Mahtani : Into that I went to a counselor who was just like, yeah, it sounds like you got anxiety. Try breathing, and I’m like I don’t have any like this is beyond anxiety man, like my, my, my counselor, I ran circles around him and I couldn’t help him. I went to my pastor who was just like, well, let’s pray, but you know, he didn’t really know how to talk to an entrepreneur or to a, a w the situation.
14:01 : Vince Mahtani : I was in, and then I had a business coach, he was like, yeah, man, like you should have done this, this, and this. I don’t know why, and he wasn’t sympathetic or empathetic and so here I am like thirty, I’m alone, I can’t go to my dad, can’t go to my mom, they’re not safe people. Like, who do I go to? And, and I realized like I gotta just figure this out for myself.
14:22 : Vince Mahtani : And it’s like when you fall off the mountain, no one’s there to pick you up, I had to pick myself back up. So to answer your question, how did I get into this? It was years of painful rebuilding who I wanted to be, who I felt like I needed to be for my wife and my kids, who I needed to be for, who.
14:42 : Vince Mahtani : Who I didn’t need to be for my family, like my dad and my mom and my brother, and then in that time I had three other friends in the course of three years commit suicide, and I was sit so close to home of this was my life, and, and they’re these guys where that were my neighbors, one was a.
15:03 : Vince Mahtani : A pastor, and they were suffering in silence and I made it my life’s mission at that point because I was luckily enough to be saved. I’m never gonna let another man go through hell and back by themselves. I might not have all the answers, but they’re not doing it alone.
15:19 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah. Well, and, and, you know, a couple things like that that come to mind with your story that I think resonates with, you know, the people that I deal with on a daily basis with mid going through divorce or not even divorce, but you know plainhouse having babies, you know, pretending that they’re married, but, you know, fathering chil.
15:41 : Matthew Brickman : Is, you know, one of the things that I say a lot Vince is, you know, there’s an old proverb that says the parent eats the fruit and the child tastes the bitterness. And, you know, and, and it’s it’s generational and, you know, you look back, ok, well, what happened to your father that made them that way? Well, what happened to his father that made him that way? Well, what happened.
16:02 : Matthew Brickman : To you that made you that way? And then that impacts how you are a father. And, and so a lot of times as a mediator dealing with men and I think you’re a great source to refer these men that I deal with every day, that, you know, have sort of, kind of by themselves.
16:23 : Matthew Brickman : Made choices to emplode their own life.
16:27 : Matthew Brickman : Just like you were about to emplode your entire life, you were gonna end it, which is a huge explosion. You there’s no coming back. These are ones that are ok well we’re imploading our marriage, we’re imploding our family, correct? And so sometimes what I, you know, what I’ve I’ve said to men, and women as they get caught up.
16:47 : Matthew Brickman : Life and what they’re going through choices that they’ve made, but they’re still the product of a generation before them and a generation before then, and I and and I tell them, you know, in the midst of it, they get caught up in the moment of, Oh my gosh, you know, I’m so pissed off at you and you’ve said this and you did this and all the lifestyle.
17:06 : Matthew Brickman : And I tell him I say, you know, honestly let me just let me just pause. This did you know that this has nothing to do with you? And I usually get the strangest blankeest look, like what do you mean? This is my divorce, like this would mean, and I’m like, this has app what we’re doing today has nothing to do with you. What today is doing.
17:27 : Matthew Brickman : Is this.
17:29 : Matthew Brickman : You had to grandparents, right? And they’re like yay, yeah, yeah. And I’m like, and your parent and and and your grandparents had your parents, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I’m sure that your parents had traits, good and bad of your grandparents, right? Their parents yay, yay. And your parents had you naturally cause you’re sitting here, right? And they’re like, yeah, yeah. And I’m like.
17:49 : Matthew Brickman : And I’m sure that you’ve got good and bad traits from your parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, this has nothing to do with you. What we’re doing today is we are making new choices that are gonna affect your unborn grandchildren that aren’t here on this planet yet. Right, that’s what we’re doing. That’s.
18:07 : Matthew Brickman : It’s nothing to do with you. Because if you can see that the choices we’re making, now that you’ve chosen to emplode your life, you’ve like you’ve worked so hard to get a four oh one K or an IRA and a home and your work and your job and your status and your cars, and guess what? Now you’re gonna see your kids fifty percent of the.
18:28 : Matthew Brickman : You’re dividing up all of everything that you have accumulated. And goodbye house, the home that you worked so hard to obtain, that’s all gone. And now you’re gonna start over whatever age that maybe, right?
18:42 : Vince Mahtani : Right.
18:42 : Matthew Brickman : That’s gonna affect how you parent your children and how you feel right now towards the other parent is gonna affect how you parent your children and how, you know, for me when I got divorced, I, I I was raised at a Christian home man, you know, divorce was not an option, and so for me, it was, it finally came to the point.
19:03 : Matthew Brickman : Where I’m going, the example that I’m setting for my son, on how to speak and treat a woman is so toxic and so bad because of how I treated their mother. I said I’d rather said no example than continue setting this example. And the example that I was setting to my daughter of, hey.
19:24 : Matthew Brickman : Because daughters usually marry their fathers. Just like, just like you said, like you were looking for coaches and people to help the mentor you and they were just like your father, right? Well, daughters marry their fathers, and I’m going good gally. If any man treated my daughter and spoke to her.
19:44 : Matthew Brickman : And this manner, oh, we’d have words and we were proud right? And so I was like, Oh my gosh, the example that I’m setting for my kids just so bad I’d rather set no example. Now, it’s impossible to set no example because even that examples that’s an example, right? Right. But I’m like, let’s minimize the damage that the fruit that I’m eating.
20:04 : Matthew Brickman : And bitterness they’re tasting. Let me see if I can minimize that and so many men that I deal with of all ages, whether an and what’s going through my mind is you’re telling me the story is, you know, I’ve I’ve dealt with people getting divorced or having kids as young as nineteen and as old as.
20:25 : Matthew Brickman : Eighty three. My, there’s a huge span like whether it’s in, whether it’s in, whether it’s an eighteen nineteen twenty, twenty one year old that is going through whatever, and to be able to talk to someone like you and be like, you know what? I’m not gonna you know, I’ve been there, but you know what? Let me just tell you what.
20:45 : Matthew Brickman : I went through and let’s see if we can connect and relate and let’s share stories to give some hope and direction or whether It’s looking back on an entire life going, I built my whole life, maybe chasing just like you said chasing that thirty under thirty, right? And one of the, you know, the second thing that.
21:06 : Matthew Brickman : That came to mind was you almost ended it over an idle, a God of money. And so many people are chasing money and I’ve always said, if you chase the money, you will always chase the money. Because you’re never gonna get it or get enough of it. And you’re.
21:26 : Matthew Brickman : Always gonna chase it. And so, you know, and in the Bible is very clear. You cannot serve God and money, you know, money has a spirit like God has a spirit and it’s a ma’am in spirit and you’re either going to serve the ma’am and God or the Holy God, one of the two, but you can’t choose both.
21:42 : Vince Mahtani : In a hand and.
21:43 : Matthew Brickman : More moment of and and I like we said just almost like a blackout Yetta of clarity, which you were chasing God money, and then you had a blackout clarity going, wait a second, I need to choose God god. And you knew God God, but you were distracted by God. Money.
21:59 : Vince Mahtani : Right.
22:00 : Matthew Brickman : Still, where did that come? It’s still came from.
22:04 : Matthew Brickman : It’s still comes from the father figure, the generation you’re not good enough, you need to achieve, you need to Okay, so with all of that, I have one question for you.
22:15 : Matthew Brickman : Are you ready for it?
22:17 : Matthew Brickman : Ever make the thirty under thirty and five, you did. And then and and you still were going to still end it.
22:26 : Vince Mahtani : Because the resource.
22:28 : Matthew Brickman : Steve did, but it still wasn’t enough, and so it was like.
22:33 : Matthew Brickman : Okay fine. So let me ask you this second follow up question. Yeah. When you finally decided not to go over the bridge, you decided to then fest up and do, you know, face the music and everything.
22:50 : Matthew Brickman : Alright, how did it go? I mean, obviously you’re here. But, you know, how did you, how, how did you do that? It’s still sort of sil I don’t know if you were able to silence the voice or maybe, you know, they say, they say you look Ductate can’t fix everything, but it can sure muffle the sound, right? Yeah.
23:10 : Matthew Brickman : So were you able to turn I mean you just said the voice is still always there, but were you able to muffle it, like how did you push through that actually then having to face the music? Because so many people that come to mediation that finally then go through the divorce and whatnot. They’re still having to face the music. How did you do that and still make it to the other side?
23:27 : Vince Mahtani : Yeah.
23:29 : Vince Mahtani : There’s that old kid’s nursy rhyme like you can’t go over it, you can’t go around it, you gotta go through it. I remember that book reading it to my kids, yeah, you have to go through it. You know it’s like, ok.
23:43 : Vince Mahtani : Again faith for you and I is really important. I know that maybe not everybody listening or watching, faith might be the furthest thing away from them I don’t I don’t know how people go through life without that. I don’t know, it, it was a faith, it, I had to know, one.
24:03 : Vince Mahtani : No matter what happens, I’m still loved. Like I had to get to the point where it’s like I can’t chase dad’s love, I gotta find God’s love, and when I figured that out and then and and again like.
24:17 : Vince Mahtani : God, the father well my father hits me because I didn’t perform enough, you know like this that’s weird muddy water man.
24:24 : Matthew Brickman : It is, it.
24:25 : Vince Mahtani : It so I don’t want to ever discount that because it’s still for me like every once in a while, like that gets muddy. But it it had to start coming from like, let’s just get really honest with myself. I have journals like this everywhere, and it’s constantly.
24:45 : Vince Mahtani : You would look I’m looking at one now as we’re taking notes talking and it’s like, don’t say this, what the hell man? Like I’m yelling at myself sometimes at the same time, but also working through like you’re good. Breathe, right? So this is a constant going through. You’ve never arrived. So let.
25:06 : Vince Mahtani : Let me start there. How did I do it? It’s that it’s going I’m never going to get there. This is going to be my journey, my journey of silencing the inner critic, who I’ve renamed, so it’s not my dad’s name. We can talk about the renaming in a minute, but I’ve I’ve named him, I’ve personified this inner critic. So.
25:27 : Vince Mahtani : That way when I hear it, I go, oh, that’s Lou. Lou, you need to be quiet. You’re hungry, go eat. Lou, I don’t eat, and really what it is, it’s a protection. What I found was the voice that’s yelling at me was me yelling at me so that when my dad yelled and cussed and.
25:47 : Vince Mahtani : And be rated me, it doesn’t hurt me as bad because I’ve already done it to myself. So now you dad, can’t hurt me, because I’ve already done it to myself.
25:56 : Matthew Brickman : So let me ask you this. Can I ask you this? With, with your voice so that it doesn’t hurt as bad when you hear your fathers, are you harsher to yourself so that it So then the pain from the father isn’t as bad so that voice to you is even worse. Is that what you’re saying?
26:15 : Vince Mahtani : That is exact. I.
26:19 : Vince Mahtani : If, if, if my inner if if the voice inside my head ever talked to my wife or kids or a friend, I would kill him. I would throat punch him so hard, but for me, no.
26:33 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah, so.
26:34 : Vince Mahtani : And and it comes out, again, I’ve I’ve learned that it’s like a soundtrack. I get to I have the choice to listen to it or try to turn the volume down. But that volume never goes to like level zero, maybe it’s a one or a two. Yeah, right?
26:50 : Matthew Brickman : So to replacement.
26:52 : Vince Mahtani : Sound Tracked.
26:53 : Matthew Brickman : So this is almost like the old cartoon that we grew up with on Saturday morning with a little angel, the little devil on both sides, and you’re just, you know, and they’re both whispering in your ear and you’re like, ok, you’d be quiet, you’d be quiet, ok. It really is. I like I remember that cartoon so vividly as a child.
27:12 : Vince Mahtani : Yes, and, and that’s exactly what it is. And the critic is a beast. He’s huge compared to the little angel on the shoulder, right? Or like.
27:22 : Matthew Brickman : So they’re not the same size like in the cartoon. No.
27:25 : Vince Mahtani : Oh no this one’s, but here’s what I realized.
27:28 : Matthew Brickman : Bigger. And.
27:29 : Vince Mahtani : I’m gonna I’m gonna bring in faith because it’s important but.
27:32 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
27:33 : Vince Mahtani : Here’s what I realized. And I’m looking up the scripture first. So it’s, first Peter five eight. So context. Peter used to be Simon. He was one of the, the inner circle of Jesus. He was one of the three, had a lot of experiences was the guy that Jesus says, I’m changing her name from s.
27:54 : Vince Mahtani : Simon to Peter I’m gonna build my church off of you. Peter was really the first guy, right? So just for context for anybody listening, Peter sauce stuff man, he’s talking miracles, he’s all these things. Then Peter was the guy that.
28:06 : Matthew Brickman : Taken up on the transfiguration. He was one of the three. He was the dude, like he was there.
28:13 : Vince Mahtani : He like quantum jumped, right? Like he was in this time travel space with Jesus, but he’s also the guy that denies him three times.
28:19 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah.
28:20 : Vince Mahtani : Jesus is first person, he goes and walks miles to after raising from the dead is Peter. Yeah, right? Okay, so context Peter says this, and he says.
28:35 : Vince Mahtani : Be sober, which is like a well balanced selfis in life and be alert and cautious at all times the enemy of yours, the devil, prows around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to buyer. Now, I love nature and I love national geographic stuff. You never see when a, when a lion is hunting. It’s never loud. Lion.
28:56 : Vince Mahtani : Are, are stealthy.
28:57 : Matthew Brickman : Right.
28:59 : Vince Mahtani : What it’s, what he’s saying is this inner critic, this line, this devil, it’s trying to just be so obnoxious and loud to find the person that goes, Oh my god, what’s that? And they freeze, and that’s who you can go get. So what I’ve realized is my inter critic is so loud. I can either.
29:20 : Vince Mahtani : Oh my gosh, he’s right, and get in the stuck feeling and I get super stuck in my life.
29:25 : Matthew Brickman : Right.
29:26 : Vince Mahtani : More and go, you’re being a roaring lion. I I hear you, I don’t need to pay attention to you cause he’s not he he has zero desire to go after somebody that doesn’t care and and just keeps walking the other way. He’s wanting to find the one who gets stuck, and so I realized in my life I kept getting stuck by this loud inner critic.
29:47 : Vince Mahtani : That makes sense. So.
29:48 : Matthew Brickman : Yeah, just so.
29:50 : Vince Mahtani : How can we work on turning that down.

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